Comments on: Real Science. Real Faith.

By: meaningfulscience1

meaningfulscience1 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:27 +0000

It’s not that …
It’s not that brains contain atoms, but that “it is WHOLLY by the motions of atoms in my brain.” From what we know about the laws of physics, chemistry and biology, there is no reason to assume that atoms would form themselves into such an amazingly complex, willful, thinking machine. Determinism is the only logical option for the Atheist. Free will and the ability to supersede and manipulate the atoms of our brains is necessary for science and is provided for in Christianity.

By: prqd112

prqd112 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:27 +0000

true, it is …
true, it is evidence for what you are saying, but a quote is very weak compared to evidence that draws on logic. especially considering that it is a quote that i believe most scientists would disagree with. read my recent comment below, it explains why haldane is not correct. you see, my arguments appeals to why a brain is capable of thinking correctly. your argument is that a respected guy once said that it isn’t. you offer no evidence for why a brain can’t think other than that haldane said it

By: meaningfulscience1

meaningfulscience1 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:27 +0000

The quote is …
The quote is evidence in support of the argument I have been trying to convince you of all along. Here is a widely recognized and respected scientist (geneticist), someone who knows what science is and requires, and yet is an Atheist like you. If he can see the point I am making about questioning your ability to reason, then why can’t you? I think you are refusing to consider the scary possibility that Atheism is self-refuting. Arguing for Naturalism is to saw off the branch your sitting on.

By: meaningfulscience1

meaningfulscience1 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:26 +0000

I think a better …
I think a better question is why you would think Atheism could criticize or justify any of the above at all? Slavery, oppression, murder are all consistent with a reality made up of no more than nature red in tooth and claw. Inbuilt morality? The Law written on your heart has a Supernatural Foundation and says there are things that might not have survival value, but which make survival valuable. God made YOU and knows what it takes for you to live well. The Bible shows the Way.

By: meaningfulscience1

meaningfulscience1 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:26 +0000

I don’t believe the …
I don’t believe the Bible condones slavery, oppression of women, or stoning people to death for breaking the Sabbath. The Bible is made up of the Old and New Testaments. We are living after Christ came to suffer for our violations of the Law. We are to live as Christ lived with faith, hope, love, and the other fruits of the Spirit. Christian ministers used the Bible to abolish slavery in England and America in the 18th and 19th centuries and to lead the Civil Rights movements of the 20th.

By: LukeFM

LukeFM — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:26 +0000

Dude I don’t think …
Dude I don’t think you really get your morality from the Bible do you? Do you believe that women should submit to men? That slavery is ok? That people who work on a Sunday should be stoned to death?! I would hope that you are enlightened enough to realise that the Bible contains some pretty dodgy teachings, as well as the good ones. You most probably pick out the bits of the Bible that agree with your inbuilt morality, and ignore the racist, violent, sexist bits. I hope..

By: cwhite54

cwhite54 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:26 +0000

i actually said “by …
i actually said “by the motion of atoms.” you said, “from… physics, chemistry & biology, there is no reason to assume that atoms would form themselves into [a brain].” yes there is. evolution explains how a brain would evolve PERFECTLY. what doesnt make sense is to say “ok, heres a brain. it isnt obvious as to how it works, so some all-powerful god must have made it

By: cwhite54

cwhite54 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:26 +0000

and it works by …
and it works by magic.” that explains nothing. where are you even getting this info from. can i get a source for the quote I just gave? i have NEVER heard that assertion before, & ive been studying sciences for a long time & at good schools. the correct approach is not to claim you know how the brain works in entirety, but to accept that it works in a complex manner & to try to explain it using chem, bio, and physics.

By: meaningfulscience1

meaningfulscience1 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:25 +0000

Did you read Ch.3, …
Did you read Ch.3, The Cardinal Difficulty in Naturalism? It’s all about the fact that Atheistic science is self-defeating b/c it destroys the very foundation of reason. For example, “It offers…a full account of our mental behaviour; but this account, on inspection, leaves no room for the acts of knowing or insight on which the whole value of our thinking, as a means to truth, depends.”(p.28 in my edition) I recommend reading it again. He’s much more eloquent/able than myself on this point

By: CharlieBBoy12345

CharlieBBoy12345 — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:32:25 +0000

Having read C S …
Having read C S Lewis on miracles, I am interested as to which bit you mean, as I don’t see how a reference to it follows from the previous sentences (perhaps my memory fails me!) Personally I don’t think supernatural explanations play a part in helpful science, but that is not to say that belief in the supernatural is IRRATIONAL or can be ruled out. It is just unhelpful.